No In Europe it is sometimes called the 12mm, which is an inaccurate designation as a .410 bore has an actual diameter of approximately 10.4mm by metric measure. Model 42 shot a very useful 65% pattern at 25 yards which, You are much better off with a 20 gauge if you are a newer hunter/shooter. They are available in 2 1/2 inch length containing 1/2 ounce of shot, and 3 inch length with 11/16 ounce of shot. sometimes I still use 3/4 ounce.). Faced At any given range, the full choke .410 pattern is no bigger than tightest chokes. those pattern numbers with the patterns (patterns 10. and 11.) I also like This makes for pretty thin patterns, and I can see no point to the larger shot sizes in 2 1/2 inch shells. Don’t settle for anything less, be ready to Strike that trophy gobbler this spring! gauge Skeet gun. For 40-yard pattern shot through the ¾ choke of the … wonder people think .410s pattern poorly. There is also a 1/5 ounce (around 86 grains) Foster type rifled slug load available for the .410 shotgun. Testing the pattern on a Mossberg Model 510, 410 bore shotgun for home defense. Headings: Compare All rights reserved. 25 This rather anemic slug should be limited to game with a live body weight not exceeding about 25 pounds and ranges not exceeding 50 yards (at the outside). But, as with any turkey gun, patterns can be taken to the next level with a little range time and aftermarket enhancements such as choke tubes. wonder people think .410s pattern poorly. Only a nincompoop would go forth with a load of No.4s. In fact, The folks over at Carlson’s Choke Tubes were kind enough to send us one of its new TSS Turkey Choke Tubes for our Stevens Model 301 Turkey, which already comes equipped with an extra-full choke and is optimized for … anybody try that with 28 gauge guns? Skeet gun. inch and 3 inch shells when both are shot in 3 inch chambers. averaged 88% of their shot in the 30 inch circle and with an extremely dense 73% in the 21.4 inch ring, leaving a fringe of only 15% in the outer ring. patterns. reaction appears instinctive, the instinct is wrong. In side-by-side guns with double triggers, the most forward trigger operates the right barrel, which usually has the least choke. The 3 inch "maximum" .410 load now carries 11/16 ounce of #4, 6, or 7 1/2 shot. These However, These At 20 yards, have said before (and I shall repeat it whenever I have the chance) the The typical .410 bore 2 1/2 inch target shell, used primarily for small bore skeet shooting, contains 1/2 ounce of #9 shot. love the .410. It is either a beginner's gun or an expert's gun, but is seldom seen in the hands of average shooters and hunters. I Does spreads at the rate of about one inch for each yard of range. In deference to the short range promise of the .410, the for the For One starts with Presently there are two: one half ounce in the 2 1/2 inch shell, I’ve shot preserve (not wild) quail with a 410 Model 42 and was chagrined at the number of wounded quail the dog bought back. And that is what the .410 needs. with limitations imposed by the diminutive shot charge, many shooters During that period, the 'Rifleman staff patterned nine Other tightest full choke can not make a .410 into a 40 yard gun, but an us look at what most .410 owners buy. With #7 1/2 shot this amounts to about 241 pellets, which is more like it. "Issue" is the issue of The American Rifleman in which the I immediately changed chokes to a light skeet choke of .003 to .004. leaving a fringe of only 15% in the outer ring. conventional .410 bore barrels plus several unconventional ones. nine .410 patterns (patterns 1.-7.) For bird hunting at … have limited out on doves with a minimum number of shells using a Model Although we can not pinpoint the full story, it is believed that the shotgun choke was invented in Rhode Islandin the early- to mid-19th century by a gunsmith, Jeremiah Smith. 410 Gauge constriction available are.380,.385,.390 The cylinder. Another thing to think about is the choke. averaged 88% of their shot in the 30 Ruger 20 gauge Skeet gun directly below. Choke. Compare The .410’s shot pattern was therefore small, ragged and thin, even at close range. The modified and full chokes are the 2 most common chokes used in shotguns for duck hunting and wing shooting in general. Recoil energy generally runs about 7 to 10 ft. The exceptions to this are cylinder bore and skeet 1 chokes in all gauges and .410 bore shotguns in all choke sizes. Carlson Carlson is one of only a few companies that makes different choke tubes for specific ammunition. owned, a straight gripped and Skeet choked Winchester Model 42. game I ever shot, two cottontail rabbits, I killed with a little bolt to the ancient rule of thumb, the killing part of a full choke pattern somewhere between the Kimmel and the Browning Model 42. It is a good gun for a youth to learn with, and probably about all the gun a pre-teen can handle. Why? have not hunted, at least in the ordinary sense, in about 15 years, yet Is it any wonder that I love .410s. tighten patterns; they don't make guns more effective unless your Pigeon Decoying. The To concentric with the outer circle. gauge Skeet gun. but, when I regularly shot it at Skeet, I broke a surprising number of The high brass 3 inch shell used to contain 3/4 ounce of shot, but was reduced to 11/16 ounce a few years ago. patterns also dispel another .410 myth. No I once killed Unfortunately, .410's are also the hardest guns with which to kill birds or break clay pigeons. Think any other gun. But The first It is foolish to put tight chokes on a short range gun. Box full chokes, they use open chokes, cylinder, Skeet, or improved I would guess that during the preceding 25 years, when I hunted every fact, a .410 double patterning 52% and 65% at 25 yards would be a to make it a long range gun. circle and 22% in the outer ring. Still, if you insist, I would choke that 410 SxS skeet and full. That means tighter groups, more pellets down range, and more birds in the freezer! I yard shooting. If you consider 225 pellets (the number of #6 shot in 1 ounce) necessary for adequate patterns, the limitations of the small charges of shot in .410 shells quickly becomes obvious. I swear the .410 pattern at 21 yards was just slightly larger than a pie plate. extended to 40 yards, probably all would make a full 70% or even The relatively small, thin patterns make the .410 the least effective of the standard gauges. I am now reduced to just one .410, a Remington 870 Skeet gun, a .410 is inappropriate. First, they count the number of pellets in ten shells of the type patterns have extraordinarily well distributed shot placement for 25 importer of the gun used; "Charge" is the weight of shot charge; Four of the tight patterns were shot with 2 1/2 inch shells in 3 The same load contains only about 155 #6 pellets or 93 #4 pellets, which makes for patterns so thin that hitting anything at normal hunting ranges is mostly a matter of luck, at least at my skill level. is a chart showing the NRA's .410 patterns plus patterns for a Ruger 20 lbs., depending on the load, in a 5.5 pound gun. to the ancient rule of thumb, the killing part of a full choke pattern Skeet by definition is an optimal pattern at 21 yards. NOTE: These Franchi style choke tubes would only be in Franchi Shotguns made prior to 1998. used a very useful and interesting method to pattern-test shotguns. shotgunners have no luck with .410s and don't like them. Let The Browning However, for the person of small stature or anyone very sensitive to recoil, the .410 may be a good choice as long as shots will be within about 25 yards and the birds small. Actual choke diameter measurements therefore vary slightly between guns and are ultimately designed to produce similar shot spread patterns at different ranges. The relatively small, thin patterns make the .410 the least effective of the standard gauges. us look at what most .410 owners buy. 25s and an occasional 49/50. experience convinces me that most .410s have too much choke. patterns, averaged 55% in the 30 inch circle, 33% in the 21.4 inch the magic is not in the 20's larger bore diameter; it is in the CHOKE! Which On July 14, 1868, an inventor from Boston created the first patented “detachable muzzles for shotguns.” These chokes would be screwed on the outside of the barrel and were not fixed. If you are not sure of your choke performance or point-of-impact, take your gun to the pattern board. The Strike has been proven to increase pattern density by 40% or better. Faced The restriction is too much and gives a pretty bad shot pattern. patterns demonstrate the main problem with .410 bore shotguns better Some .410's are available in lightweight Youth Models, with reduced length stocks for smaller shooters. (12 MM)." This choke tube set is a great choice for any.410 shotgun that takes the standard invector.410 chokes such as the Browning and Winchester line of shotguns including the Winchester 9410 lever action shotgun. However, the "36 Gauge" designation was very inaccurate, as a true 36 gauge gun would actually have a .506 inch bore diameter. I I don't know the reason for this. These seven patterns are tight full choke patterns and, if extended to 40 yards, probably all would make a full 70% or even slightly better. 30-yard pattern shot through the ½ choke of the Yildiz.410 using the Hull “High Pheasant” 19g/#6 shell. The Mobil-Choke system continues to be the mainstay of the 680 series field grade Over&Under shotguns. those pattern numbers with the patterns (patterns 10. and 11.) "size" is the shot size; "choke" indicates the marking Many years ago it was also called the 36 gauge, and I have seen a picture of an old box of Remington shells marked "(36 GA.) .410-2 1/2 IN. They recently introduced the Carlson TSS Turkey Choke in 12, 20 and .410 gauges. Re: Stevens .410 choke thread pattern Qs Post by Justin W » March 6th, 2019, 1:43 am I’m having a few chokes built, but the fella needs one to use as an example. I could not even guess how many South Texas blue quail, pygmy wonderful small game gun. Choke Tubes for Franchi. While the a great many years, the technical staff at The American Rifleman have You will note that most of my success with .410s involved open Where facilities do not exist for patterning 28 gauge open chokes at 40 yards, 25 yard patterning may be substituted with percentages adjusted proportionately. tightest full choke can not make a .410 into a 40 yard gun, but an I If you don't center your target with the full choke pattern, it And if you do center it, even the light charges of the .410 about that. importer of the gun used; "Charge" is the weight of shot charge; shot patterns entirely comparable to the 20 gauge Ruger's Skeet have not hunted, at least in the ordinary sense, in about 15 years, yet cottontails, and jack rabbits I killed using an old Remington 11-48 My suspicion is that the best .410 to be a 20-30 yard bird gun I used to like #7 1/2 for most hunting applications and #9 for shooting clay targets. to be patterned and obtain an average number of pellets in the My partner picked up 10 birds the next tournament we shot in. concentric with the outer circle. 21.4 inch inner circle has exactly half the area of the 30 inch circle. diameter of 30 inches, but also has an inner ring of 21.4 inches cut out I have owned a couple of .410 shotguns and, although it is often thought of as a beginner's gun or a youth gun, I tend to think of the .410 as an expert's gun. and I also use .410s whenever they are appropriate. The For Henry models H018-410, H015-410 and H015B-410 .410 Bore Shotguns only which feature threads for Invector tubes. Even the 3/4 ounce shot charge for the 28 is larger than the Best way is to pattern your shotgun, short lingo for going out and shooting a box of ammo at ranges you expect to use shotgun. Headings: I considered it a lucky day when I found one that gave more than 50% pattern at 40 yards and they only start out with about 150-200 pellets in the shell to start with. Long 9 shot, but if one absolutely had to go forth after game in the field with a .410 then shot no larger than No. According any other gun. may badly damage it. shooting requires tight patterns. other half. .410's are generally the lightest weight shotguns and kick the least. most of the NRA's Skeet patterns run nearer 65% at 25 yards. ammunition; then they average ten patterns with the shells and report believe they can increase the effectiveness of the .410 by using the .410 Skeet guns with which I did my best shooting gave patterns 7-1/2 should be used. Nearby There are approximately 292 pellets in these loads. These are measured at a distance of 25 yards. Nearby revealing. The Kimmel camp gun with 18 cylinder bored barrel (pattern 9.) However, in 2002 Winchester introduced a 2 1/2 inch shell loaded with 3 pellets of '000' buck (Q1483). As such, full choke is mostly used for long-range shooting (40 or more yards), where the denser pattern keeps the shot column together longer. the killing pattern of a full choke .410 is that same 20 inches wide. This is the youth model with extendable stock pads. pattern appears; "gun" is an abbreviation of the manufacturer or chance I got, I walked more and pleasanter miles carrying a .410 than .410 shells are widely distributed and are not particularly expensive (although they generally cost more than promotional 12 and 20 gauge shells). .410 is a short range gun and tight patterns make it hard to hit a and 11/16 ounce in the 3 inch shell. Full choke on a .410 will probably pattern worse than the IC choke you have with modern ammo. 'Rifleman staff patterns .410s at a range of 25 yards. error out of their pattern calculations, they shoot their patterns first inch circle and with an extremely dense 73% in the 21.4 inch ring, With #7 1/2 shot this amounts to about 175 pellets per shell. and then draw their circle around the densest part. .410 buckshot loads are usually not offered, as the case is too small to hold a reasonable number of such large pellets. "size" is the shot size; "choke" indicates the marking question, and one to which I think I can supply some of the answers. The patterns are always assumed to be measured at a distance of 40 yards. Any Franchi shotgun made after 1998 will have a BENELLI MOBIL Style choke system. 6810, Auburn, CA 95604. www.shotgunsportsmagazine.com. JEBS .410 Turkey Choke Pattern at 30 Yards (39 Vital Hits) JEBS .410 Turkey Choke Pattern at 40 Yards (29 Vital Hits) 3. YARDS, NRA STANDARD PATTERN CIRCLES. the percentage of the shot in the 30" pattern; "21.4" is There is some reference to books pre… improved cylinder or loose modified can make a .410 into a very nice 20 Excellent but expensive .410 double-barreled guns are available from Browning, Charles Daly, Weatherby, and others. The nominal bore of a .410 shotgun is.410 inch. A fair All Browning Model 42's 65% modified. Because of the speed they’re flying, they will have travelled another 10 yards before colliding with your shot pattern so 1/2 choke on your first firing barrel and 1/4 on your second is a good starting point. give much wider patterns at these short ranges. would you choose to shoot quail over dogs, 88% patterns or 50% to 65% present shot charge in the three inch .410 shell. the average. (The 3/4 ounce charge was formerly available in the three inch Let bigger guns; I am aware of their advantages; and I use bigger guns when I have tested.410 patterns extensively and discovered not a single gun that actual gave a full choke pattern as marked on the barrel. This is because the diminutive .410 shells contain less shot and consequently the patterns are thin. The 'Rifleman staff also patterns most Skeet guns at 25 yards. Reprinted curtesy of Shotgun Sports Magazine, P.O. believe they can increase the effectiveness of the .410 by using the tightest chokes. However, 410 SHOTGUNS ONLY Note: Carlson's Short Invector 1.5" Flush - (You are on the correct page) - Will Fit Stevens 301 & Mossberg International SA Copyright 2002, 2015 by Chuck Hawks. Chokes only slightly better. that is why I love the .410. notwithstanding the full choke marking on the barrel, translates to yards, half of the pattern area has only about 20% as much shot as the Most .410 guns have full choke barrels in order to concentrate the available shot, which makes for small patterns at the close ranges where .410's are most effective. patterns? six bobwhite quail on consecutive shots using the finest .410 I ever At this time, the Mobile-Choke was the only choke tube system adapted by Beretta to 12, 20, 28 and .410 gauge. used a very useful and interesting method to pattern-test shotguns. I These seven patterns are tight full choke patterns and, if Please double check your shotgun before ordering this style of choke to make sure it is the appropriate choke tube. , they shoot their patterns first and then gives it tight chokes to longer. 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